Welcome to Vertical Reference!

Helicopter Photos and VideosWelcome to the Helicopter Industry's Vertical Reference Website. This website is for all of us in the helicopter world. Through visitor contributed and dynamic content, we at Vertical Reference hope to make better the helicopter industry through the professional exchange of helicopter information.

Whether a Helicopter Pilot, Helicopter Student, Helicopter Mechanic, Employer, Helicopter Flight School, Helicopter Business, or an enthusiast, we hope VR has something for you! Information on helicopter jobs, helicopter flight training, or helicopter career development can be found throughout the website and helicopter message boards.

Rotorcraft Pro - Get the Magazine & Newsletter!

INSIDE THIS ISSUE: 2020-2021 U.S. Helicopter Pilot Salary & Benefits Survey | Unmanned Aircraft Are Coming & What It Means for Pilots | Maintenance Myths | Exec Watch: Martin Peryea, CEO of Jaunt Air Mobility | Meet a Rotorcraft Pro: Eric Tadlock | My 2 Cents Worth | Mil2Civ Transition | Maintenance Minute | Rotorcraft Checkride

VIEW ISSUE ONLINE | SUBSCRIBE

Recent VR Forum Posts
Wednesday, June 16, 2021

Extremely stoked to announce I received my selection letter today, after starting my packet process four years ago! I have been waiting for the chance to make this post on here. AGE: 30 Military: E4, 2 yrs TIS, MOS 12M ASVAB AFQT/GT: 99/139 SIFT: 58 APFT: 268 EDUCATION: BA Biology (2.92 GPA), Graduate Certificate [In Progress] Fish & Wildlife Management (3.94 Current GPA) FLIGHT: None BOARD: National Guard LORS: CW4, CO commander (O3) SELECTED: June 2021

Tuesday, June 15, 2021

Got it. No access for me on ATRRS! Just have to wait to get my welcome letter, or see if I get a notification through email. Now the countdown begins for you.

Tuesday, June 15, 2021

Didn't see a July board thread so here goes, s2s AGE: 27 ASVAB GT: 117 SIFT: 63 OPAT: Heavy EDUCATION: Bachelors in Finance FLIGHT: 78.4 hours rotor craft LORS: State Police pilot, CW3, civilian work supervisor ( working on getting 2 more from cw's) PHYSICAL: waiting

Tuesday, June 15, 2021

Took the sift today at Fort Dix, simple drawings: got through 90 of them probably had 5wrongs. Overall it was pretty easy. Hidden Figures: this one was nothing like the ones in the sift books or the practice tests. Way harder i got through about 17 with probably about 8 wrongs. felt pretty shitty after this section. Aviation Knowledge: Answered all 40 of the questions, had 10 mins extra to go through it again. Pretty confident i got 40/40 correct. FAA handbook was my go to. got a few army helicopter questions slip/skid coning, induced flow, helicopter performance, class g airspace, cyclic/ pedal functions, autorotation definition, and few others like forwards cg effects Spacial Apperception: pretty straightforward, read the instructions clearly you should be fine. Answered all 25. SIFT books will easily help you Math: this section kinda sucked. I got through maybe 8-10 questions and know for a fact i only got 3-4 correct. dont rely on the asvab math because this is on a different level. Mechanical Comprehension: was fairly similar to the asvab. Nothing too difficult here answered about 15 questions. paragraph comprehension: i ran out of time so only could get through 15 questions but similar to the asvab. overall i was pretty surprised i got a 63, i felt like i bombed the test after the math section. I guess my aviation and mechanical sections saved me!

Monday, June 14, 2021

I’m active duty

Monday, June 14, 2021

Well said SBuzzkill!

Monday, June 14, 2021

Since your specific questions have been answered, here's some general advice: I've spent the last hour typing out replies and erasing them. In the end I think the best advice I can give you is that entering this career is a gamble. None of us will be able to tell you how it's going to work out, and you need to understand that if you have a stable life you are trading it for a very unstable one. Experiences vary wildly in this industry and advice always seems to be super polarized. Timing, location, money, personal connections, family life, etc. There are so many factors that are going to influence whether or not you are "successful." I put that in quotations because success is defined by you. I'll use myself as an example. I'm 33 and dreamed of flying since I was a toddler, there was nothing else I wanted to do. I started training at 18, paying for it with my minimum wage flight line job. I had a plan: college -> CFI -> airmail -> regional airline -> major airline. My personal limitations, life changes, and timing forced me to change my plan. I joined the Army to fly helicopters, did that for almost a decade, then finally made my transition to the airlines. My plan changed so many times during that time period I lost count. I expected to be in the seat I'm in now about a decade earlier than I actually made it. But I have no regrets and I consider my career a successful one. Am I anywhere near where I expected to be when I started training 15 years ago? Nope. Does that bother me? Nope. I love going to work, I live comfortably, and I have plenty of avenues open to me should I want to make a change. I've had poor timing and I've had fantastic timing. I've had periods in my life making lots of money but hating the job, and I've had periods living in my car in the employee lot during the week but loving work. Periods of excess were followed by periods of tight budgets and stress. All of it was a gamble. Moral of the story is that you'll get lots of advice, but none of it is really going to be relevant. If something is burning inside you and you just have to give it a shot, go for it and never look back. Search for opportunities and don't be afraid of making big changes to your plan. Just understand you're leaving the quiet simple life behind.

Monday, June 14, 2021

My aviation application checklist says that my APFT needs to be taken within 6 months when I submit my packet. My last one was in August 2020 with a score of 271. My CO won't allow me to take another to improve my score due to the Army Directive 2020-06. It pretty much states that the only exceptions to taking the APFT is if you're flagged for failing or haven't taken one. Has anyone else ran into this issue? If so how did you overcome it? Is the ACFT accepted as a valid PT test yet even thought it's not counted for record? army_directive_2020_06_acft.pdf

Monday, June 14, 2021

You could train in an Enstrom at your current weight but it will be uncomfortable at first (and you might need a belt extender). I own an Enstrom and love to fly it. (much, much preferred over the Robby products) but the truth is that most of the newbie/starter work is in R-44’s, so keep that in mind. If you can afford your way to 200 hours via a ppl to commercial/CFI you could earn some short money to build time. If you are financially able set aside about $500,000 to fly your own way (privately and on your on schedule) to the 500 hours needed to be a tour pilot. To most that seems like a ton of cash, but to a solid finance guy (like my old college roommate) that is just an annual bonus. Flying four hours a week you’d have 600 hours in three years and be well on your way.

Monday, June 14, 2021

Are you AD or RC? I’m RC, waiting to see mine come through.