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Subject: FAA FSDO approved my A&P testing...but
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Sleeper_6User is Offline
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03/15/2011 6:23 PM  
...The Problem is, after passing the written test, there seems to be a lot of things I have never dealt with. I was an AH-64D Crew chief, and I tested, installed/removed items, and maintained the aircraft, but I never did things like flaring pipes, or applying varnish to a wood paneled aircraft. While I have passed the written tests with flying colors, I am kind of scared that I am going to spend hundreds of dollars to take my practical exams, and get hit with a task that I am not familiar with. Would there be a way I could get a job as an apprentice or something in a shop, and familiarize myself with everything I would need to know?
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03/18/2011 12:39 AM  
pay your $700 or whatever it is for your week long class and they'll guarantee you pass your oral and practical... the ads are in trade-a-plane all the time... very simple... don't waste your time sitting around a shop cause you'll still never see what you need to know for the test.
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03/18/2011 3:51 PM  
Thanks for the reply! If anybody knows of any of those classes that are in the Orange County/San Diego Area and can recommend one, please let me know here. I called my local DME and he recommended a guy named Ken Hershensen out in riverside who runs a course, but he hasn't called me back yet. I guess I'll go out and get one of those trade a plane magazines. Can I pick those up at the airport?
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04/16/2011 8:38 PM  
I agree, dont worry about the things you dont know yet. Not many people know dope and fabric techniques until they are shown on the job. Your examiner will work with you on this, just know the basics and where to look for procedures. I was in the same position many years ago, I was a UH-60 crewchief. Good luck!!!
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05/28/2011 1:46 PM  
I went to Ken's place over 4 years ago. Av-tech is the name. I hadn't worked choppers in a couple years. Knocked it out in under 2 weeks. VA picked up the cost of the tests only. He has a 97% sucess rate. You won't be let down. Don't fret. You will pass. Good luck.
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11/16/2011 1:59 PM  
It's unfortunate, but true.  One can get one's mechanic certificate and still know very little about being a mechanic.

I worked with some individuals recently who had never seen a blind rivet, and who had an inordinately difficult time removing stuck 10-32 screws.  In fact, they damaged a high percentage of the screws they attempted to remove, as well as the surface around them.  They had no idea how to install a nutplate, or what it was.  They couldn't work a rivet gun.  On, and on it went. I was shocked to learn that they had mechanic certificates with both airframe and power plant ratings.

Nobody knows everything, but I see a lot of individuals who hold the certificate, who really aren't qualified.  Being able to pass the test isn't a qualification, it's empowerment to put one's name on a bit of plastic.

A weekend course will get you through, and sure enough I see a lot of people who do it.  Many of them go on to become decent mechanics.  However, that's not always the case.

I worked with an individual a few years ago who commented to me one day that he couldn't understand why he was tasked with regreasing the tail rotor each time the aircraft flew through rain.  I couldn't understand how he couldn't understand.  He was the same individual who picked up a drill in my box one day and drilled holes through the pressure vessel of a King Air, in order to pop rivet (not cherry max, but craft store pop rivet) some paneling trim in place.  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.  Recently an individual who had his certificate, but little else, attempted to "clean out" a bolt hole that was about to undergo an inspection, using a steel wire brush.  He couldn't seem to understand why that wasn't a wise idea in an aluminum part. 

Go to the weekend course if you must, but personally I'd much prefer to see someone know the material and then take the test; even if it takes longer.  Nobody expects you to be an expert in everything, but keep in mind that the mechanic certificate empowers you do nearly anything on the aircraft, and to work on any aircraft from a hot air balloon to a Boeing 747, to a CH-53, to an R-22. 

It's really easy to squeeze into a course and come away with a blanket permission to work on everything, but that doesn't make it right.  Taking the easy way out isn't always the answer.
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03/20/2012 11:50 AM  
sns3guppy, you are the MAN! So many of these "A&P Schools" today are nothing but diploma mills !!!

Thank God that sleeper_6 has enough snap from his mil experience to know that there's more to know !!!

I've seen some disturbing trends among military personnel where all too often, politics ( or maybe immaturity ) keeps some kids scrubbing toilets & mowing around hangars for the majority of their enlistments, & then they want to magically get their A&P licenses because they have an MOS or AFDC number on the DD-214. Ya can't blame em if they don't know any better, but ignorance is still no excuse.

Then there are the ones whose over-ambitious recruiters told em that a 6 mo school would qualify them for FAA licenses right outta the Cracker Jack box, even if they're Weekend Warriors w/ no deployments under their belts. I'm NOT knocking ALL Weekend Warriors, beacuse

I AIN'T knocking all veterans, ( I can STILL feel the impact & imprints of the #12 boots of the old Crew Chiefs & Maint Chiefs who tried to cure me of the Juvenile-Stupids ) but there are some realy crappy sub-cultures in SOME areas of some military branches.

Then there are some know-it-all bs artists who schmooze their way thru bureaucracies to get rank & mislead the youngsters for various reasons, probably to manipulate more work outta them.

I've been in two different branches of the military, & I've met some of the finest people in the world & some of the worst.
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03/20/2012 11:50 AM  
sns3guppy, you are the MAN! So many of these "A&P Schools" today are nothing but diploma mills !!!

Thank God that sleeper_6 has enough snap from his mil experience to know that there's more to know !!!

I've seen some disturbing trends among military personnel where all too often, politics ( or maybe immaturity ) keeps some kids scrubbing toilets & mowing around hangars for the majority of their enlistments, & then they want to magically get their A&P licenses because they have an MOS or AFDC number on the DD-214. Ya can't blame em if they don't know any better, but ignorance is still no excuse.

Then there are the ones whose over-ambitious recruiters told em that a 6 mo school would qualify them for FAA licenses right outta the Cracker Jack box, even if they're Weekend Warriors w/ no deployments under their belts. I'm NOT knocking ALL Weekend Warriors, beacuse

I AIN'T knocking all veterans, ( I can STILL feel the impact & imprints of the #12 boots of the old Crew Chiefs & Maint Chiefs who tried to cure me of the Juvenile-Stupids ) but there are some realy crappy sub-cultures in SOME areas of some military branches.

Then there are some know-it-all bs artists who schmooze their way thru bureaucracies to get rank & mislead the youngsters for various reasons, probably to manipulate more work outta them.

I've been in two different branches of the military, & I've met some of the finest people in the world & some of the worst.
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03/23/2012 1:05 AM  
recent grad of an AP tech school, it scares me to see some of the people who were written off to take their Ap oral/practicals. i know alot of the underachievers never had the balls or drive to actually take the O/P but it would scare me to death to know that they did, and got their AP. the O/P's were extremely easy, and i hate to think that thats all it takes to legally perform some of the duties that are allowed under the AP. half the guys i wouldnt trust to change my tires, nor would they even bother to pop the hood were they broken down on the side of the road.
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