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Subject: Headphones VS Flight Helmet?
 
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07/14/2011 9:12 AM  
Difference between the two, and their advantages/disadvantages. I've only ever seen military pilots wear the helmet (in movies lol)
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07/14/2011 9:39 AM  
i remember flying in Bell 47's without headsets, headphones or helmets and you listed to a radio with a amplified speaker and spoke into a handheld microphone. I'm no expert on this but can report my experiences. In fact, I flew in an R22 without a headset less than a month ago because as a photographer that takes pictures of boats I sometimes meet chartered helicopters that don't have headsets. Flight schools usually require that you provide your own headset for hygiene reasons and you can buy them for as little as $100 which represents about 1/3 of an hour of helicopter time. So, headsets have cups over your ears that attenuate noise, headphones (which you asked about) simply take the radio communication and put those noises directly into year ears instead of listening to the radio on a speaker several feet away on the console and the flight helmet provides you with protection to the head in case your head hits something. A helmet with mitigate the blunt force trauma of an impact over a larger area at a lower pressure. A football helmet does a similar thing but doesn't have the radio in the ears. If you are wondering what it feels like to fly in a helicopter without any of these things I'lll tell you that it is pretty neat. A little loud in turns are when the blades are turning or descending or both but for many years aviators did without any of these things. When the first Bose headsets came out I had a pair of them but with the doors off for photo the active attenuation didn't do much and the passive attenuation wasn't as good as the normal clamshell headsets that i was accustomed to. But, you can fly without any of that. I am aware that flying without headsets can lead to hearing loss in certain frequencies and perhaps thats why pilots with a lot of hours sometimes seam confused when maybe they just can't hear what you are saying as well as you can say it. Our photo flying is partially described at www.r22.us and as I notice that you are from Ecuador, we have a student that once lived there and you can contact me at www.HeliccopterAcademy.com
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07/14/2011 5:20 PM  
Thank you for your response. I like good long answers. Okay I'll check out that link!
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07/14/2011 7:32 PM  
So what would you recommend the headset or the helmet? Helicopters don't really crash that often do they? Even if you do crash you're probably gonna die whether you have a helmet or not no?
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07/15/2011 5:29 PM  
I have flown with both a flight helmet and with a headset and it really depends on the mission you are performing and the aircraft you are flying. Almost all Air Medical operators will use helmets because of the inherent risk of air medical operations and the fact that most (if not all) flight helmets have a series of sun visors and clear visors that create a much safer working environment for the flight crew. Also, a lot of air medical operators now operate at night using night vision goggles (NVG) and the most convenient way to use NVG's is by attaching them to the front of a flight helmet. This is the case for any operators using NVG's, including law enforcement helicopter pilots/crew and military. A lot of utility operators also use flight helmets because of the inherent risk of utility work with a helicopter. Very often during utility work (which includes fire fighting, powerline patrol, heavy lift operations, etc.) the aircraft is being operated at or near its limitations and therefore puts the pilot and aircraft at considerable risk, therefore pilots and flight crews involved in these operations also choose (or are required by their insurance) to wear flight helmets. For those private operators that own and fly their own aircraft or tour operators and a lot of ENG (news) operators, flight helmets are inpractical because they are very big, pretty heavy (after a while), and just arn't necessary for these types of operations. I love flying with my flight helmet when I'm doing any type of utility work, but if I'm just cruising around working on my CFI/CFII then I much prefer my David Clark Headset. To each his own. In regards to your last post, I'm not sure if you were being facicious in your comment or if you just are not aware, but helicopters crash quite often. It gets better every year as far as the number of crashes and the severity of crashes, but do not be mistaken, just because a helicopter crash doesn't make the headline world news, does not mean they don't crash.
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07/15/2011 5:51 PM  
nah, I wasn't. I really don't know anything about helicopters. I'm a complete noob. So are there less pilot deaths in helicopters crashes when they wear the flight helmet as apposed to head gear "statistically speaking"?
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07/15/2011 6:12 PM  
No problem at all, you have to start somewhere and it has been so helpful for me to have these type of forumns to go to for answers, so I thought I'd start contributing to them as I know a thing or two about helicopters. I'm not sure statistically speaking if flight helmets save more lives during high-impact crashes, my assumtion is absolutley they save lives and that is why certain insurance agencies require helo operators to use them. I assume that is why pretty much every military in the world uses them and that is why I invested in one so that when I needed one, I would have it to use.
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07/21/2011 12:38 PM  
So do you think it would be best to get a flight helmet right away at the beginning of flight training or would you suggest waiting until you land a job that requires the helmet?

I've seen the head gear and the helmets online which range in pricing. Would you recomend getting the highest quality most expensive or would I medium range do good? Do you know if there's a lot of difference in the quality between the price ranges? I read that it's not a good idea to go cheap and get the lower priced gear.
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08/24/2011 7:22 AM  
Posted By zCaptain on 07/21/2011 12:38 PM
So do you think it would be best to get a flight helmet right away at the beginning of flight training or would you suggest waiting until you land a job that requires the helmet?

I've seen the head gear and the helmets online which range in pricing. Would you recomend getting the highest quality most expensive or would I medium range do good? Do you know if there's a lot of difference in the quality between the price ranges? I read that it's not a good idea to go cheap and get the lower priced gear.

PD pretty much nailed it.

Speaking from a military standpoint... It is a necessity for safety and function.

Crash/Post crash fire: Visors down, blow the canopy, exit the acft.
Flying: Into the sun - tinted visor, at night or cloudy - clear visor. Having that visor down is real handy in the event of bullet/canopy fragments, or the occasional suicidal feathered FLAK that is just "circling to land" At 120+ kts they can make a pretty big dent. My IP in flight school used to say if we hit a bird it was going to be on my side. LOL

The IHADSS had a mounting bracket on the right side for the HDU and we would switch out the visor guard so we could fly goggles too. It's kind of hard to attach a weight bag and battery pack to a headset. Besides, if we didn't have helmets we wouldn't be able to have all those cool designs painted on them.

So to really answer your question. Skip on the helmet if you're just starting. You'll look like your trying to be too cool. Get a nice mid-range priced (300.00-500.00) headset. It will be less bulky in the aircraft and easier to lug around.
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08/24/2011 8:41 AM  
Alright, thanks for the info. I appreciate it!
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