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Subject: Looking for that 1st job
 
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11/19/2012 10:57 AM  
I am looking for some help. Maybe you guys could point me in the right direction. I am a commercial pilot looking for my first flying job. I do not have my CFI/CFII and I know that will not help my chances of finding a job. But I'm confident there are low time pilot jobs out there...if you know someone. I have 250 hours TT in helos, 240 of those in the R22 and the rest in the R44. I have my instrument ticket and completed the RHC Safety Course. I am willing to relocate anywhere in the U.S. and do any type of work I can under Part 91. Thanks for your help.
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11/19/2012 5:54 PM  
Get your CFII! Even if you can find one of those ever ellusive low time jobs (which are harder to get than the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow) THEY STILL PREFERE CFIs! Your only hope MIGHT be Old City Helicopters in Florida, but I suggest you deliver your resume in person!
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12/03/2012 7:51 AM  
unfortunately the insurance determines the hiring qualfications . minimums were 1000hrs but are starting to inch up. Also invest in 5 hours of B206 - that is the equipment in use the most ( regardless what THC and Eurocopter say) - in other words if you cannot start the aircraft then it will go down hill from there. Best deal if in the zone is the Army!!!
sorry i can not even touch anyone with less than a 1000. Also depnds on wheter it is Part 135 or Flt Training on the CFI gig. me personally - we are a Part 135 and give a rat's behind about CFIs - it is the hours!
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12/17/2012 2:40 AM  
Don't waste your time and money paying for 5 or 10 hours of turbine time. It will do you no good. And get your CFII. Or else you could go buy a lottery ticket. The odds of finding a job with the hours and tickets you hold are about as good as hitting it big in the lotto. Might not be what you want to hear, but its the truth
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01/01/2013 4:56 PM  
Work is out there for pilots at all levels. No one is going to hand it to you, you have to go out and get it. I sent out 69 applications before I got my first job and got told, "No" a lot more than that. I know guys that sent out clear over 100 applications and waited a whole year before they got their first job. No one will only pay you to fly at 250 hours. You will likely be the hangar sweeper, aircraft washer, grass mower, toilet cleaner, and fuel man FIRST and maybe a co-pilot second.. every other flight. And you'll make a whopping $2-400 a week. 6 months later, after proving that you're not going to walk out on the company, you'll find yourself flying more and more. Otherwise, some flight schools hire their own students in time, if they like you, but I wouldn't count on it in this economy. Good luck and don't quit.

p.s. I got work with only my commercial certificate to start. I got my CFI and that opened more doors and got my R44 endorsement and that opened more doors. CFII wasn't so important I found, unless you want to instruct. Neither was the turbine transition. I now have a well paying corporate job that I love.
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01/03/2013 10:56 AM  
Posted By parker08 on 01/01/2013 4:56 PM
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p.s. I got work with only my commercial certificate to start. I got my CFI and that opened more doors and got my R44 endorsement and that opened more doors. CFII wasn't so important I found, unless you want to instruct. Neither was the turbine transition. I now have a well paying corporate job that I love.


What type of operation hired you without a CFI? What type of flying were you doing? How many hours did you have? How long ago was that?
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01/03/2013 3:54 PM  
Hey parker08, thanks for the great info. Can you please email me so we can communicate a little more privately?
aztacopilot@hotmail.com

Thanks! :)
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01/04/2013 2:05 PM  
I did what I feel is the most important thing in any industry. I made friends and remained loyal to them. Don't be the guy that throws people under the bus to make himself look good. None of the jobs I got were ever advertised! Take all of the jobs you see on this website and triple or quadruple the available number. Most aviation jobs (especially in small companies) are almost always filled internally meaning, somebody knows somebody that knows somebody. Be one of those somebodys.

The next thing, have a well written resume and cover letter written. Leave out the .8's and .anythings off of your times. Just round up to the nearest hour and call it a day. 20 extra minutes in the air isn't going to make you or break you as a pilot and your resume will look a little more professional.

Next, look up every flight school, every business that has a chopper {That you can fly} and find out the name of the owner and/or chief pilot and personalize every cover letter that you MAIL. Not EMAIL. If you do email, your resume will likely be intercepted by a fellow pilot already at that company and discarded of whom otherwise you may be competing with.

Spend the time and money ($100) to make every resume look professional with clean manilla envelopes, nicely hand written address on the front, stamps neatly placed and mail out 100 resumes to 100 companies that you found in all 50 states. And yes you will likely have to move. Hand deliver the resumes to businesses within driving range and call ahead and schedule a brief intro meeting if possible. Don't be afraid to call big schools/companies and talk directly to the owner. In my experience, I gave gained some very valuable information and they have been some very nice people to talk to. Be ready and willing to WORK, not just fly!!!! That means getting dirty and greasy and nasty on a daily basis!

The last thing, which is completely out of your control, is timing. Timing is why some people just have to wait it out. The most important thing is to get your name and resume out there and follow up every so often. The worst thing you can do, after investing the time and money into your training is, to do nothing. I have seen people quit after their CFI rating because no one handed them a job. Don't be one of those. Get excited! Otherwise here is a saying of a friend of mine, "You can give me the money intead, I'll kick you in the nuts, and you'll likely have better results."

To answer your questions. Agriculture. Pollinating. 270. 3 years ago. It can be done.
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01/05/2013 2:25 PM  
Please allow me to clarify, the CFI rating is absolutely essential for employment for pilots with low time. The main points of my posts were nothing can take the place of attention to detail, tenacity and persistance and hard work. Sorry for any confusion.
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01/05/2013 2:53 PM  
Posted By parker08 on 01/05/2013 2:25 PM
Please allow me to clarify, the CFI rating is absolutely essential for employment for pilots with low time. The main points of my posts were nothing can take the place of attention to detail, tenacity and persistance and hard work. Sorry for any confusion.


So you getting hired without it was just plain luck? Could you not have stayed in AG until you had enough hours to move on without a CFI rating?
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