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03/17/2012 10:02 AM  
Hi All, Just joined the forums and looking forward to chatting with you all. Have been heavily researching the heli pilot field and am quite interested. Wondering if any of you can comment on Northeast Helicopters in Ellington, CT. They are the closest school to me. Since schools don't have to be accredited, it seems, is it possible to just seek out some "old heli dude" and learn to fly privately, and then take the necessary exams for licensure? I find it really strange that total noobie pilots who have just gotten their commercia license are qualified to instruct students, but not to go out in the field and work for real. Seems like a bit of a racket to me with the schools. Thanks.
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03/17/2012 12:47 PM  
Take a look at the job ads and you'll find that flight schools are simply the only operators who will hire a newbie pilot, and since the job they do is teaching, you will have to get the Instrument, CFI, and CFII ratings to work there! Its not a racket, there are simply more pilots out there than jobs!

If you can find an "old heli dude" who will train you, and then give you a job afterwards, go for it!
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03/17/2012 3:18 PM  
"I find it really strange that total noobie pilots who have just gotten their commercia license are qualified to instruct students, but not to go out in the field and work for real."

It's the pecking order. It's not that they couldn't do it, its just that there are plenty of qualified pilots out there. Although there are a lot of things a new CFI still has yet to be exposed to. Think of your hours as having a Associates or a Bachelors, Masters or a PhD.
Why would an operator hire a 190hr CFI who's only experience is in an R22 or a S300 when they can hire a 2000hr pilot who is also a CFI with a wide range of experience? As far as a new CFI being able to teach effectively? They do it everyday. Millions of hours, and hundreds of thousands of pilots and 50+ years would suggest that it works. Heck, I am a CFI in airplanes and helicopters and am almost done with my CFII and have close to 2000hrs. With about 350 in MD500Es. If I wasn't a pilot in law enforcement, Id be pretty hard pressed to get anything outside of CFI work also.

Your idea of finding an old guy/gal to teach you is great. Nothing stops you from doing that. There are private instructors out there. In fact, thats how I work. I "free-lance" if you will, but the kicker is that you'll probably need to have your own aircraft. I am a dual rated CFI but I don't have my own aircraft. So you'd need to bring whatever you want to learn in or rent that aircraft from a local FBO, friend, whatever. Right now I am instructing a guy who just bought his own Cessna 172 to do his Private-Commercial. Instead of paying me, we have a deal where I get free use of his plane in exchange for instruction. I just pay for my own gas. In turn, I use my free flight time to teach my son to fly. Pretty nice deal for all three of us.

Its not a racket. Its just how the entire civilized work has decided it works. About the only place I know of that will train you and give you an immediate job is the military.
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03/17/2012 3:39 PM  
Thanks fellas. I guess my point was 'wouldn't we rather learn how to fly from a veteran of many years, rather than a kid still wet behind the ears who has only flown an R22?' I know I would. But OK. Obviously it works. It just seems a little backwards. Thoughts on affiliated vs. non-affiliated schools? No issue in terms of future employment, right? Thanks again.
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03/17/2012 4:39 PM  
Posted By wombosi on 03/17/2012 3:39 PM
Thanks fellas. I guess my point was 'wouldn't we rather learn how to fly from a veteran of many years, rather than a kid still wet behind the ears who has only flown an R22?' I know I would. But OK. Obviously it works. It just seems a little backwards. Thoughts on affiliated vs. non-affiliated schools? No issue in terms of future employment, right? Thanks again.


I'm sure given the choice we would all prefer to be trained by a veteran pilot, and I encourage you to do so. The thing is, if every student felt that way, there would be thousands of 150hr newbie commercial pilots with no chance of ever being hired,...anywhere!
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03/17/2012 5:11 PM  
In regards to affiliated or non-affiliated schools....

Nobody cares what flight school you go to, who your instructor was, how much or how little you paid. If it was an "old guy" or some brand new 19yr old CFI. Everyone is tested to the same standards. The FAA Practical Test Standards.

I get a kick out of school who advertise suggesting they have some sort of clout in the industry. A 160hr CFI is just that, a 160hr CFI. By the time your marketable, 1500+ hrs, where you got your initial training is of no interest to anyone except to other new CFIs who think people care.

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03/17/2012 5:16 PM  
thanks, flying pig.
that was well said.
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03/17/2012 9:41 PM  
Posted By Flying Pig on 03/17/2012 5:11 PM
In regards to affiliated or non-affiliated schools....

Nobody cares what flight school you go to, who your instructor was, how much or how little you paid. If it was an "old guy" or some brand new 19yr old CFI. Everyone is tested to the same standards. The FAA Practical Test Standards.

I get a kick out of school who advertise suggesting they have some sort of clout in the industry. A 160hr CFI is just that, a 160hr CFI. By the time your marketable, 1500+ hrs, where you got your initial training is of no interest to anyone except to other new CFIs who think people care.



Does that mean that being trained at Bristow Academy won't help get you hired at Bristow Group?
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06/23/2014 3:36 AM  
Bristow has never been able to hire all the graduates. A Dutch CFII fellow from there that didn't get offered a job and has to leave by August and wants to get to as many hours as possible. He got all his ratings and a CFII from Bristow and started a boat photo program with me on 5/21/2014 and by 6/21/2014 he had flown 100 hours and we hired him as promised. We had another guy that hand't flown since 2008 and went back to waiting tables to save up for more training. I think our first Bristow guy came in 2004. Same story in that he paid for zero to CFII, didn't get a job, went back to Austria to drive a cab and save up to do 100 hours additional training with us. I've followed this guy's career as he was always one to genuinely stay in touch. He got 1000 hours with us and landed a JetRanger job in Canada. He's got thousands of hours now. And just got a greencard. So, he will likely fly a twin turbine here in the USA with his greencard and I might have him be an assistance chief pilot because he knows first hand what it is like to spend all your money and get shown the door. The he went back to drive his cab in Austria for a year and saved up enough to do a standard program with us and we got him through his dream and into a job. Worked out well for him but many others quit or didn't have the heart.
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