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Subject: Can the board be another networking tool?
 
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01/24/2005 7:49 PM  
Yeah, painfully obvious answer to the subject line, but... Random thoughts, but as more and more folks, from line pilots and CFIs to chief pilots and operators, are connected and participating on such sites as this one - - will this become an extension or a new branch of the "good ol' boy/girl" network? I'm guessing that if you can look good out here and mix it up a bit without stepping on your own crank (and you are indeed a pilot), it might serve as some type of "get to know ya" thing. I've already bumped into a little bit of that (positive interaction of course), had some good phone chats, that sort of thing. Anyway, I think that the free-for-all JH board provides a great opportunity for someone to look good in the mayhem, and I think the "controlled" environment of this moderated/id'd board is a great counterpoint, and a way for somone to validate their identity out in the free-for all.
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01/24/2005 8:47 PM  
John, I think that both can be used, perhaps this one a little better since you will be able to be more easily able to identify and contact people in this one. Having said that, I think I had mentioned this to you before, but as a result of my interaction in the other forum, I have been asked to apply for specific positions and flat out offered jobs in the past several times. Ps. I think that this forum will grow in popularity over time. Right now the only real way to it is the link in that one post in the other forum. We are designing the new entry page now that will expose most visitors to both in the future. I will also be putting out another Rotor Break E-Advisory when it is all finished and everything is up and running to let everyone know of the new addition. I have about 5000 on that mailing list. You gonna be at HAI?
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01/24/2005 10:28 PM  
HAI? Trying to be, but my students won't let me. They all want to fly, the ungrateful cads! My boss (and the owner of Hummingbird) will be there - Chris Cooper - as well as our ground-school instructor, John Lindstrom (who is presenting a couple of topics at HAI). So I get to hold down the fort here in the Great White North. Ah well, life could be much worse. PS - Stay away from Fritz's!
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01/28/2005 7:49 AM  
John Certainly this is one of the most popular forums in the helicopter world and anyone serious about the profession will be here sooner or later. I have had a couple conversations with people who visit, but no job offers out of it. Maybe I'm just no good after all these years??? The helicopter world is just too small not to eventually run into people that you have heard of, or had computer contact with, if not an actual personal meeting or conversation. At least that has been my experience over the past35+ years of helicopter flying. Most of mine has been in ag or in the bush where we were lucky to get a radio to work let alone a computer? That networking was much more time consuming and on a more personal face to face level where you could make some very distinct impressions, eitehr good or bad, or worse.... I'm hopeful that the new forum will lend itself to an honest exchange of info and be short on the acerbic nonsense. Humor is always welcome though. Rocky

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01/28/2005 11:54 AM  
Networking. A good tool for finding out about job opportunities, and I've done my share of "Schmoozing" to try to sort out the good/mediocre/better positions available over my 37 years in helicopters. I guess I'm a bit curious about why networking is still a major consideration. The numbers of open positions on the job site is incredible considering what it was just a couple of years ago. Although I know for a fact that "who you know" makes a huge difference in the job market, the market has gotten HUGE itself lately. I have recently jumped ship to teach UAV's and I'm not 100% sure that I really did the right thing. I guess I'll make that decision over the next several months. In the mean time, a starting salary of around 60K certainly helped me to make the choice to jump. Additionally, although I do miss the 7 & 7, I don't miss the O'dark hundred takeoffs to BFE with marginal weather, mountains and lousy comms. And I do enjoy the weekends and holidays off. But back to the networking. How can you "network" with someone you have only "met" on-line? Do you really trust what that person says/writes? Just My Thoughts, Fly Safe, Gabilane.
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01/28/2005 6:21 PM  
[quote]But back to the networking. How can you "network" with someone you have only "met" on-line? Do you really trust what that person says/writes?[/quote] Hi Gabilane, It's not so much to trust as to get a sense of. While a good writer can perhaps construct an alternate personality, most of us will display our personality, beliefs, experience, ect, in our writing. Say I run into you at Helo-Expo 2006 and talk turns to Just Helicopters. I mention that I post as JohnL. You've read my posts, perhaps you've been impressed, or annoyed, or disgusted. (Let's say impressed.) You suddenly have a much better sense of who I am and where I've been. But equally important is the speed at which news travels, and the rate at which it propigates. Even if the manner of communication may sometimes leave something to be desired, you hear about industry events ASAP. Finally, you get to interact with people you might never otherwise "meet". On the forums I visit regularly, I have chatted with a top test pilot for Sikorsky, the director of aviation studies at U of Maryland, and many other long-time contributors to the industry. Perhaps the biggest power of all, though, is the connection of pilots all over the country. Rather than the pilot diaspora which traditionally has been the helicopter industry, tour pilots in Alaske can talk with students in Florida or corporate pilots in Dubai. You don't have to lose your friends when you leave the Gulf for that EMS job in Nebraska. I suspect the power of this continued connection might reshape the industry in ways we do not yet recognize.
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01/30/2005 3:29 PM  
JohnL Bravo your post and conclusion. I firmly believe this forum will be one of the most influential in the industry in many years. When I began flying helicopters in the late 60's, if you were military your main contacts were military. If civilian, same thing. If you attended HAI annually, or other professional conventions or symposiums and confrerences, the cirle of contacts expanded slowly. Then, as you point out, you may lose contact for years due to overseas work or something like that. Then you run into a job that fits a person you know but can't contact. That obstacle has been mostly eliminated now with the advent of the internet and the near immediate contact worldwide. Same holds true for spreading rumor, and truth, and just plain gossip. I for one really enjoy being able to contact friends in combat zones to get the straight scoop and for heads up on possible civilian contract employment. Just since the new forum has opened, I've had contact with two of the regulars and have had phone conversations which will lead to face to face in the very near future. And so....the network expands exponentially. Best Regards Rocky aka OGHF

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01/30/2005 5:14 PM  
"Random thoughts, but as more and more folks, from line pilots and CFIs to chief pilots and operators, are connected and participating on such sites as this one - " Hey John, I know I'm just a new guy but from personal first hand experience I can definitely say yes. I post on the other forum using my real name and email. Some people have given me crap because of my school but I have gotten far more positive contacts privately than negative ones. Even a couple of invitations for interviews when my training is completed. May I suggest that if anyone wants better networking, put more info in your profile. At least that way if someone is interested enough in what you have to say they will have the ability to talk to you without making it a public conversation. Keith Hamblin
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01/31/2005 10:00 AM  
I agree. While you might not get to know someone on a "personal" basis online, it will very well open doors for you and introduce you to people you might not otherwise have had a chance to chat with in the nitch of the world that some of us operate in.
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